I keep hearing Henrik saying "penalities for murderers".
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I'm not a duelist, but I'd disagree with that part. Duels in MO2 are so cringe and boring to watch. I'd much rather the fast pace prediction abusing duels of MO1. Parry trading while getting healed from passive regen is a real snoozer.
The problem in MO2 is that there is no way to ParryBreak. Therefor, when fighting an oponent of equal skill, the fight can literally take as long as it takes for your sword to break. A good example of sword fighting in games is Chivalry 2. It has first person, like MO2, it has directional attacks, like MO2, it has a parry mechanic, like MO2. What does it do differently? There is a "KICK" button. If the other guy is hoddling up in a turtle shell, you kick and stick him briefly, getting a free hit in.
In MO2 dueling, the advantage lies with the defender. Because, right after a parry, your swing does not need to be charged, meaning that, if somebody does not want to fight you, is too afraid to fight you, or is simply way too defensive by nature, you generally cannot kill him
. You're right, it's boring as crapThere is just no point in doing anything but griefing/ RPK in this game since it's always the fastest/easiest option. Red nametags would be a great start to kick those people out of blue cities. Another problem is the "base building" part and the map-layout in general. You can't leave Meduli/Tindrem/MorinKhur without running by 3 or 4 strongholds of known RPK-guilds. This is because of chokepoints in the map-layout and because somehow the blue cities don't seem to care about bandit camps a few meters out of the gates. Also every ressource/spawn/whatever that is kinda accessible from those cities is camped by PvP-guilds. Wanna farm Calx so you can craft steel and fight back? Naah Calx is camped,(west of MK with literally about 20-30 houses+ 3 strongholds) so you may try it at 6 in the morning.
It could all be easily fixed by color coding guilds and not allowing red guilds to build near blue cities. I mean why should the authorities give known terrorists permission to build a house on their land?
It could all be easily fixed by color coding guilds and not allowing red guilds to build near blue cities. I mean why should the authorities give known terrorists permission to build a house on their land?
I highly doubt that SV would ever allow Trammel in MO2. If they had wanted to cater to the 'wrong' crowd, they've missed every opportunity to date.
Instead, what seems more likely is that they will find a way to ease new players into the game without taking away from its hardcore PvP edge.
Well... It wouldnt surprise me if they did.
We already had a small sample...
Dont you remember what they did to Meduli ?? They made the whole area a safer place than Haven !
Guards everywhere OUTSIDE, far away from town... Jesus, there are even guards protecting THE GRAVEYARD !!!!
Im sorry, but if thats not a step in direction to Trammel, I dont know what is !
If they want to reduce greifing without killing pvp, they can increase the penalties for killing blues but at the same time let people flag themselves as "red".
Being red let's you get glory/prom from killing other reds, but not blues.
Problem solved. People have incentive to be red and less incentive to kill blues.
That might be the best idea in the history of ideas, maybe ever.
Being red let's you get glory/prom from killing other reds, but not blues.
Problem solved. People have incentive to be red and less incentive to kill blues.
That might be the best idea in the history of ideas, maybe ever.
Haven is a whole different level, you can't even attack each other unless through a duel. You can't even push someone on Haven.Well... It wouldnt surprise me if they did.
We already had a small sample...
Dont you remember what they did to Meduli ?? They made the whole area a safer place than Haven !
Guards everywhere OUTSIDE, far away from town... Jesus, there are even guards protecting THE GRAVEYARD !!!!
Im sorry, but if thats not a step in direction to Trammel, I dont know what is !
I will visit Meduli one of these days and see for myself. I can imagine why there might be guards near the graveyard as it's literally a stone's throw from Meduli itself.
Thats not a bad idea. It can be expanded on, but thats a start. And once you flag you can't unflag. Or at least there needs to be a 30 day cooldown or something.
I wouldn't even be opposed to this being something a guild leader decides on for the entire guild as well. On the flip side though, there should be more incentive to be blue. If they had proper guild labels, they could offer incentives. Like what you said with red guilds for example, then trader guilds can benefit being labeled as a trader guild (i'll let a trader input their thought on what that should be), anti-pk guilds can get something, etc.
We also talked about this quite a bit with MO1 and all those incentives being tied to in-game religion. Though, I can't remember if that would be lore-friendly or not.
This stuff never works. People will just farm red guild mates, allied players or just alts and cheese the whole system.
Flagging yourself would work as a way to disallow other to give you a murder count. However there needs to be a big cooldown after you change your flag. No quick flag swapping just when its convenient for you. You go red and you have to commit to staying red for a few hours of ingame time( no logging off to burn red time).
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part of the problem, unfortunately, is that the combat mechanics provide no means of turning the tables on an attacker or attackers. And the advantage of being the attacker is ridiculously huge. The best you can hope for is maybe escaping, if you have a fast build.
Someone said "why don't you start attacking first and stop being the victim" and that's a valid response. It's the most logical response. In fact it's incredibly insightful; this game really only has 2 playstyles. Prey or predator. And that's why "play how you like" is pretty horseshit. I'm not interested in riding around looking for players to attack.Nor am I interested in being fodder for the attackers. But those are the choices.
If anything my playstyle is to look for people to help out. It's just more fun for everyone that way. Which is why this game was clearly not designed for someone like me. Which is a shame, because it almost is. But not quite.
I honestly don't know why the sweaty pvp crowd in MO2 is even here. Real PvP happens on a level playing field, which is nigh impossible to arrange organically in an open world. Most of the times I've been killed, I can't imagine it was very fun or exciting for my killers, if they were in fact legit PvP gamers looking for a challenge. I think a lot of them are just closet sociopaths looking for a quick thrill tbh. Which is why I don't even fight back if it's clear that i have no chance. I just stand there and let them have their fun. It's so stupid lol
Someone said "why don't you start attacking first and stop being the victim" and that's a valid response. It's the most logical response. In fact it's incredibly insightful; this game really only has 2 playstyles. Prey or predator. And that's why "play how you like" is pretty horseshit. I'm not interested in riding around looking for players to attack.Nor am I interested in being fodder for the attackers. But those are the choices.
If anything my playstyle is to look for people to help out. It's just more fun for everyone that way. Which is why this game was clearly not designed for someone like me. Which is a shame, because it almost is. But not quite.
I honestly don't know why the sweaty pvp crowd in MO2 is even here. Real PvP happens on a level playing field, which is nigh impossible to arrange organically in an open world. Most of the times I've been killed, I can't imagine it was very fun or exciting for my killers, if they were in fact legit PvP gamers looking for a challenge. I think a lot of them are just closet sociopaths looking for a quick thrill tbh. Which is why I don't even fight back if it's clear that i have no chance. I just stand there and let them have their fun. It's so stupid lol
Pretty simple guys. Henrik was a big fan of ganking in UO. He said it himself that he used to be an RPK, and very much enjoyed that kind of playstyle. So now he has made a game that caters to that type of crowd. There is no surprise that all the vets of MO like very much to gank people.
Its got nothing to do with challenging or fair pvp. Its just ganking. Its about making sure the odds are all in your favour and then ruining someones day and taking their stuff.
Its got nothing to do with challenging or fair pvp. Its just ganking. Its about making sure the odds are all in your favour and then ruining someones day and taking their stuff.
hate to agree but that is exactly how the game feels, and it really is a shame, because they're just shooting themselves in the foot.
you can make a living breathing immersive world that doesn't require a significant portion of the playerbase to have a bad time in order to facilitate fun for the 'real' players
when you really think about it, if you aren't playing this game to RPK, then you are basically just RPing as an npc for the sweaties to kill, and they are fully aware of it.
how did fucking Albion figure this shit out, and MO2 still can't get it right.
you can make a living breathing immersive world that doesn't require a significant portion of the playerbase to have a bad time in order to facilitate fun for the 'real' players
when you really think about it, if you aren't playing this game to RPK, then you are basically just RPing as an npc for the sweaties to kill, and they are fully aware of it.
how did fucking Albion figure this shit out, and MO2 still can't get it right.
This is honestly the best way to fix the system. Blues should not go crim for attacking murderers. Lets the blues police the towns.
If that's too punishing, murderers should stay local grey to the people they murdered for 24 hours. This would make things more interesting for sure.
Lawless zones are also needed.
Thats why it was taken out, too good of an idea. SV doesnt allow for good ideas to be implemented, even by mistake.
Lawless zones already exist. The MC reporting rarely works across nodelines. Any zone thats a few nodelines from a priest is pretty much lawless.
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They dont need immersion breaking penalties for murderers. They need actual PvP balance. Or, at least an attempt at it.
There is very little punishment for wearing full plate armor on body and horse. You can just run people down and then infinitely jump and spin like an idiot. This game has so much potential, but the PvP and resource allocation is completely lazy
pretty much sums up all of MO1-2 history. Their balance and pvp department is dogshit.
Pvp in mo1 wasn't objectively bad in an overall and I really don't get why this is the take. To then roll this fight system into minor issues of the prior seems untenable.
At a basic overview, game is 4 to 5x times bigger with near same dungeons and same amount of exits to towns and 10x map. I think that seems very very very contradictory to original map which was pretty amicable. Most mo2 vets I've seen that claim to have played mo1 must never have sat down at mo1 and decided to make an effort for more than like a few weeks to grind because people I dealt with knew how to get like a half stack of pansar scale in a matter of a day which was plenty good. Plenty of sufficient armor to deal with mpst meta armor even kill people in cronite (with the combat melee etc balance). That goes also to speak about value of pansar scales. Missing from the meta rn also but it's an aside but I'll give the shoutout regardless. Why not include the meta tier armor that helped kill better players etc.
I'm speaking resource allocation and value here.
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