Spellbooks and trinkets were the only thing that didn’t drop in mo1. Although I’m not against them dropping, it is abit hyperbole.
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So... tens or hundreds of hours, so you would say you're casual... noted.
1st point, false.
Most of the skills in game do have an effect on something or are actually implemented. I will for one be the first to point out when things arent in game but this statement is flat out false. Of all the primary skills in game there are a handful that actually are not in game yet, Beast Mastery, Beast Influence and that is about it. Even Balance has an effect in game.
2nd point. Lacks understanding of WHY those mechanics are in place.
History lesson time. In MO1 people with their weapon put away used to run faster than a person with their weapon out. This lead to players who didnt want to fight just putting their weapon away and out running anyone who was chasing them, and they had more stamina. This was changed in the hopes of promoting PVP. It worked. Mages this time around have it easier as you can have a weapon and shield equipped unlike in Mortal Online 1 when you couldnt even have a torch in your weapon slot and cast. So for better or for worse it is balance. Had you mentioned how melee weapon balance is horrible or how bows outside of the longbow is completely useless against any armor you may have had a point.
3rd... Building and sieging isnt fair. Well suck it up buttercup life isnt fair.
So first I would like to point out that there is NO sieging currently and we dont know how that will work yet. Second nothing prevents you from putting down a stronghold or a house somewhere. If you have half a brain you can do it pretty easily, hell I can put down several if I choose to myself. Perhaps instead of crying about those "zerg guilds" you should perhaps build a guild and counter it. Just a thought.
4th the market.
The market is the market, in some places its really good in other places it is really bad. If it is bad where you are perhaps you should find a place where it isnt so bad. That is the joy of having markets being local and not global. Also you are not factoring the cost savings guilds have when they produce things IN HOUSE... wow another reason to hate the evil "zerg guild"!!!
5th... welcome to Mortal.
Oh no the community hurt my feelings. Well dont go to New York, Chicago, Atlanta, Miami, Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, Glasgow, York, Rome, or any major city that isnt over run by soy fed hippies. They will crush your feelings. RP happens, and I have had some interesting interactions in the wild with people. Some bad, some good. It is what you make it.
6th point... well you finally hit something on the head.
I guess the sun shines on a dogs arse at least once in its life.
Some end thoughts:
- Players are bypassing the single character limit and creating an unfair advantage against players who want to enjoy a single-character experience.
- Melee combat is boring and feels like a slow-paced version of whack-a-mole with only 4 holes.
- Low level materials are extremely time consuming to make but equally worthless (such as bron).
- The directional voice chat system is broken in this game and sounds will come from an area opposite of where it originated.
- Weapons are still being unsheathed as invisible in spite of patch notes claiming otherwise.
- My frames per second actually go down when disabling DLSS (I believe this may be due to forced and poorly optimized anisotropic filtering)
- The colors in this game are way too saturated and the dark is easily avoided and exploited by changing gamma settings.
Nothing is stopping you from creating another account. Its their money they paid for it its on them. Or as we say in my personal discord, "dont be poor".
Melee combat is slow vs NPCs and not against decent players.
Low level materials are worthless in real life too... But materials like bron in game have a use... its a shame you dont know what they are.
I have never experienced that, sounds like you have an issue on your system with the sound.
Weapon invisible glitch is a known issue.
Of course your frame rates will drop when you disable DLSS... that is like saying my frame rates dropped when I turned up my settings. I face palmed so hard in this line it sent me back in time.
Colors... well again sounds like your graphics are not properly setup on your system. I hadnt changed a thing for the game other than some optimization tweaks on my old 1650Super GPU to get 60fps stable. I didnt change gama or the brightness. Yet I can see just fine at night in game. You know there is a brightness adjustment test you can run on your monitor, you are supposed to barely be able to see the last grey bar... it shouldnt be invisible.
Yeah I thought that was so strange that I thought maybe he meant enabled instead of disabled? lol
Game is in a lot of ways trash. It is moderately active and able to be molded. I decided to second base Hyll and I got the market popping v fast. Of course, I have 3 chars lawl. I also know how to fill gaps. So many markets in this game are open because so many people quit. Market is one of the few interesting and skill based pve mechanics left in the game IMO lol. Everyone has 70 armor armorers, tho. Food, bows, pets... weps. Pet armor. 70-70 spec = money, economy.
You can see things change in the world as you invest time in them (the actual purpose of a sandbox, imo, shaping), and that's cool, but in the end, yeah, it's up to SV to provide the content. Just waiting to talk about patch speakingof!
You can see things change in the world as you invest time in them (the actual purpose of a sandbox, imo, shaping), and that's cool, but in the end, yeah, it's up to SV to provide the content. Just waiting to talk about patch speakingof!
Being camped outside of walls happens in every PVP type game and camping people, which is weak as hell, This has happen for years. Guild or not.. This is part of a design flaw, for new players, they should have an area that gets people going.. yes its a hard core PVP game, I played and developed them since the 90's, so I understand that more than most..... BUT these PVP games, which I love, are flawed, new players, want to learn, there is nothing hard core about spawning kill a brand new player.... This is why I would of added a new player area, for people get to started and learn the game.......
MO should do this and sure the vets will whine, I played MO1 from beta and on and off since... .. SO I understand how it works but most people I know all hated this game due to how they could never play the game casually as they have a job, like most adults and would like to play but are not able due to someone, thinking there cool to kill a naked, or a newbie.. Sorry but I played and ran enough guilds that if I seen my own guild member doing that, I kill him and kick him from my guild back in the day.... its weak... and takes no skill. Your just being a dick when you do that...
Surely a player with your magnitude of experience and expertise didn't skip over and not see Haven the beginning non-PVP area where you learn basic combat and the skill system/UI before you port yourself to the real world, lol....
While Haven is a great place to learn the basics and grind Clade, it doesn't let newcomers amass wealth to get started in the mainland.
Your average new player is going to spawn in with 3G worth of items, which isn't even enough to buy a horse. So the first thing they usually do is go to the graveyard to grind a few zombies (which the games teaches you to do) or pick flowers around town. However, if you have someone in full plate armor killing newbies left and right outside the town walls, or sniping their horses from the hill, that's going to make them feel there's not much that can be done to properly get started in the game.
I've found that most people aren't averse to losing their things in PvP, but it becomes a frustrating experience when there's not much that can be done against veterans that are just camping newcomers for fun. It's more likely for them to just quit, because it's easy to wrongly assume the game is nothing but that.
I understand a lot of veterans want to preserve the "sanctity" of a full-loot PvP game that makes everyone's grandma quiver in fear, but I think they also have to realize bringing certain protections to newcomers is not going to trivialize the experience as a whole. It's simply investing into the future of the game by mitigating people from quitting due to frustration.
What I'd personally do is give fresh spawns a buff that prevents them from getting PK'ed in the graveyard. It can only last a day or so, just so they can get their bearings and at least amass a little bit of gold and armor sets for when it wears off. Of course, the downside is that it could (and would) be exploited with bots running rampart while being untouchable. So it would have to be tuned accordingly.
Thank you for this post, I really was thinking about buying this game but see now how many flaws it has, I checked the charst on SteamDB.com and in fact this year alone it has gone from 9000 players down to 1100 most days. not passing 1300 in the last few months. Not only is the game 30$ to buy then you have to spend a monthly subscription to continue to play it? That kind of money they bring in should definitely pay for the work hours for them to fix this type of issue/bug content. It is sad as I played the first one and had fun, thought they would have a decent game with MOII. I appreciate the honesty, will be passing this one up,
Game isn't for everyone, in the first game I got ganked as a fresh character right outside the Tindrem gate by a fully geared mounted axe-wielding pker. I stood my ground and fought him to the death, lost my full suit of laminated armour that I had just bought off the vendor. But the adrenaline rush was unreal. I kept playing for the next 7 years and sure, I died from time to time in those years.
My point is, the devs are fully aware that most newcomers are going to quit in the first few days once they leave Haven because of this, and they're not going to dumb down the pvp experience just to retain the majority of them. Even if they did, at some point those same players are going to quit because of some other circumstance, and there's a lot of ways that that could happen.
Whether it's them being pushed into the water or off the cliff because they went afk and a group came along and took turns to push them. Or the inevitable lone pker waiting outside of town with a bow that takes down their horse in 4 hits. Or being forced to 'drop loot' deep inside a dungeon somewhere by a large group that's roaming inside.
There will be no end to how the vast majority of players will choose to quit because of the omnipresent pvp and full looting nature of the game. Someone, somewhere, somehow is going to do those players in and make them hang up the towel one way or another.
The kind of players that SV hopes to retain are those who don't give up because they got ganked and lost all their stuff in their first few days. Those who constantly learn from their setbacks, work on improving their strategy, make changes to the way they navigate the world and take full responsibility for their own safety. They will be the ones who rule the world of Nave in their own way.
My point is, the devs are fully aware that most newcomers are going to quit in the first few days once they leave Haven because of this, and they're not going to dumb down the pvp experience just to retain the majority of them. Even if they did, at some point those same players are going to quit because of some other circumstance, and there's a lot of ways that that could happen.
Whether it's them being pushed into the water or off the cliff because they went afk and a group came along and took turns to push them. Or the inevitable lone pker waiting outside of town with a bow that takes down their horse in 4 hits. Or being forced to 'drop loot' deep inside a dungeon somewhere by a large group that's roaming inside.
There will be no end to how the vast majority of players will choose to quit because of the omnipresent pvp and full looting nature of the game. Someone, somewhere, somehow is going to do those players in and make them hang up the towel one way or another.
The kind of players that SV hopes to retain are those who don't give up because they got ganked and lost all their stuff in their first few days. Those who constantly learn from their setbacks, work on improving their strategy, make changes to the way they navigate the world and take full responsibility for their own safety. They will be the ones who rule the world of Nave in their own way.
https://mortalonline2.com/forums/search/235453/ this person/account still exists. That is why I support this. Oh and the constant bullying from pretty much everyone. Nothing ingame bullying. More like "you austisic fuck you suck at life i hope you die" or "im going to rape your wife" or " I kill anyone and give zero content because I want attention" This is a game about giving other people content. Its a shame. @henrik gives out free game code every week. So just know, there are atleast 50+ people on free alt accounts. Oh and the cheaters.
don't forget about them.
The skill trees thing is spot on. Its complete aids that you need to read like 5 books just so you can read crafting 2h sticks. You can make 1h sticks but you need to read another book and grind another skill just so you can make bigger 2h sticks. Hammers and spiked blunt heads are split into 2 skills with 0 benefits. Foootspeed, sprinting, breathing technique. When you will always have all or none of them. And none of those should be skills honestly. Etc. Its all fluff no depth.
I always thought the skill books were too easy to acquire and that really does make them feel like "fluff". Having certain skills gated behind accumulating Faction Rep before the vendor taught them to you would have been one way to make it feel a little more meaningful with some depth.
Like specific recipe books, like dracon armor, make sense to have as a specific skill to unlock. But like basic hammers and maces, have no reason to be split. They are both worthless 50 silver books. 1h handles, 2h handles, etc. Just makes no sense.
bleeh.
I think skills should be easier to learn, most by action, and should level well. Only, as Jatix said, crazy skills should be something. I could see if you said you had to read the book for X skill if your int was under y. Rep tho na.
Asym bows, poles, pole swords... are all ridiculously long like 200-400 BT per craft+ like 10 crafts per point. It would make sense if other things didn't level FAST. Like I said, I'd be cool w/ int helping your skill learn speed or something, but nah, plz no more gates.
Also stuff like Aggressive Stance, meleee weps, takes way too long, too.
FIrst of all... let me break down some facts for you.
FIRST.
Steam charts are far from accurate. Some regions and nations are not tracked by the Steam Charts due to their local laws. So those numbers can be quite a bit off.
SECOND.
EVERY new game has a mas exodus of players a few months after launch, this is the people who jump from new game to new game and vanish as the next new thing comes out. Most of the time they are streamers, content creators or their followers.
THIRD.
Valve takes 25% of EVERYTHING sold on Steam. SO for SV to charge 30$ on a game is a pretty decent deal when you think about it. Amazon charged up to 50$ for a pre-order of that game. On both their own website AND Steam.
FOURTH.
Subscriptions are not active yet, and they dont plan on starting them till they get far closer to feature complete state than now. So they are not making "all of that extra money."
LAST...
Star Vault is a company of less than 100 employees. By comparison Star Citizen is being developed by a company with over 600 employees, and 300+ on FFXIV.
I am far from the biggest supporter of Star Vault and all of their choices but I will quickly point out how bad some arguments are like the one I quoted.
I hear ya, the plain jane skills should be easy to acquire but for some added depth to the system they need some higher tier skills that can be learned by those that choose to put in the effort to learn them. Even if those skills only give like a +10% better dura and damage to the final product over plain jane skills it'd be something better we could strive for.
Yea but I mean, join me in an assumption...
You are a being in nave. You are alive, so you have some experience. You've looked at the very basic book material lore a little, probably, and you are breaking down whatever. I mean, at some point you have to know dudes would realize THIS IS SOMETHING. Ew what is this iron wooly crap that keeps sticking to my hand when I'm trying to get gf, etc.
I gotta read a book to learn how to fight from my horse, word life?
Mounted charge should unlock at the level MC gets to. Books are a stupid gate. The prices are still reflective of MO1. Swift is 10, MA is 10, what the fuck. And you ever tried to level those skills? One might be tempted to actually read them on a new character, but I don't care enough. That + craft spam needs to be addressed before they make sub live IMO.