It's already that way and to make matters worse their hits land crooked anyway. The reality isnif the window were more larger entire series of aggression would havr to be metered oyt as positioning would play the role it did in mo1. People hsed to fight like dogs would. Positioning mainly and attacking at the right moments. Nothing can be more egrigious an advantage as to have full access to block at lightning speed and leveraging it with gear. The problem I solve is for the noob vs zerg.
Poll: Do You Like The New Combat
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Having less blocks available will lessen the instance reponse of "desync" because it won't exist.
Why can't I see messages that the block in the game is broken? The block does not work in dynamics the first time (when the character moves and tries to block). The block above and the block below does not work. It only works on the third try. I'm talking about the case when I try to block using the movement of the mouse, if the block on top and the block on the bottom are used through hot keys, then it works correctly.
Ya this def needs to get fixed
I use key bind for center block but upper block with mouse and it sticks.
Over all though I really like the combat so far it's been fun. I think there's a lot that can be built off it to help with some of the pace issues at times in 1v1. As an example one thing I think would be cool is different and unique double jump abilities. Different animations. You can acquire different moves to suit your playstyle. Like a standard double jump to the side like in MO1, but you could get a special spinning sidestep move like this:
I mean this
"Broken" upper and lower block
Why can't I see messages that the block in the game is "broken"? The block does not work in dynamics the first time (when the character moves and tries to block). The block above and the block below does not work. It only works on the third try. I'm talking about the case when I try to block...
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I voted "No and from EU".
I didn't played MO1 and for me, a new player, MO2 is too slow. 1vs1 and 1vX isn't fun. Don't know if it's better in group fights though
I didn't played MO1 and for me, a new player, MO2 is too slow. 1vs1 and 1vX isn't fun. Don't know if it's better in group fights though
I personally like the combat, for people wanting to speed it up, they need to consider that there are currently a lot of issues with the system that are being abused by the people wanting it to be sped up..... In my opinion defensive choices should be EASIER, if I am not interested in a fight, or being ganked, I should be able to fend off the attackers by being defensive. Every aggressive action should have a faster defensive action. To ask to speed things up, or adjust the game before they even have magic added is fairly poor foresight. Even attempting to balance around 1v1 is a poor choice. I would still like them to slow down the ability to do 360 spins, which if they speed the game up will only get worse. that is my two cents.
This is the kind of hyperbolic non-sense this forum doesn't need. The vast majority of combat systems aren't even in yet, the game isn't even going to be released this *year*, and yet somehow it's already "ruined". If you want faster swings, use a faster weapon, greatswords aren't supposed to insta-swing as fast as you can click your mouse. It's far more realistic and immersive now, obeying physics like weapon weight, and using turn caps to stop flying triple pirouettes in midair in full plate armor with a massive 2-hander. Turn caps might even need to be increased; people are trying the jumping spins again, and it almost sorta works. Perhaps turning should cost a touch of stamina, like jumping, to lessen the spin-spam. It's already so much better than MO1, and I can't wait to test balance when the rest of the combat systems, like mounted/taming/dom/magic/etc come in.
Frankly, the only change I'd like to see, is the reticle gone; it works against immersion, you don't need a wind up indicator, the weapon winding up does that already, and most archers I've spoken to don't like it anyway.
I agree. I don't like the spin and jumping combat like in mordhaul or other first person sword combat games. Honestly it happens in this game as well, more running and jumping around instead of fast paced combat with blocking and parrying. I would like faster swings and shorter block & Parry windows. There must come the skill from. Not jumping around and trying to faint that way.
But either way the combat right now is just so freakin slow.. I don't know if that's a good decision. And ppl saying "it's in alpha, it's not done yet, not every aspect of combat is implemented yet" is a bad excuse. This is the only time, where we can test the core system and give feedback. I think too many ppl have that "let's see what the combat looks like in a few months" mindset and later it's done and hard to go back to change the core system..
I like the pace of combat myself; you are forced to use tactics like footwork/environment/deception, which makes for better combat imo. You can still get fast swings; you just have to use a faster weapon; don't expect massive greatswords to it. Time to kill is also a non-starter of an argument. I see it being used currently to justify bringing back the steam-rolling of people that helped kill MO1. I haven't read anywhere that anyone was promised quicky ninja alpha-strike kills; perhaps a gun-based game would suit you better. MO2 combat is more immersive, realistic, and tactical. And that's awesome.
It also needs to be remembered that this pace of combat and using physics resolves a great many latency-based issues that were exploited in MO1, like tricking prediction, breaking animations to go thru someones parry that you shouldn't have, and of course, that physically impossible jump-spin pirouette. It also allows people of many different ping times to play together fairly, allowing literally the entire world to play. Considering the one-server-for-the-entire-world mandate of Henrik's, that's important. This is the way it is in MO2, repeated polls have shown more people like it better than bringing the old way back, and that's a good thing. Some people are just going to have to accept that MO2 isn't MO1.
It also needs to be remembered that this pace of combat and using physics resolves a great many latency-based issues that were exploited in MO1, like tricking prediction, breaking animations to go thru someones parry that you shouldn't have, and of course, that physically impossible jump-spin pirouette. It also allows people of many different ping times to play together fairly, allowing literally the entire world to play. Considering the one-server-for-the-entire-world mandate of Henrik's, that's important. This is the way it is in MO2, repeated polls have shown more people like it better than bringing the old way back, and that's a good thing. Some people are just going to have to accept that MO2 isn't MO1.
Thanks for pointing out how much more historically accurate it is now. That's going to be important when mounted comes in.
I don't want steam rolling, i don't want ninja fast kills. I would love a skill based combat based off blocking and parrying. Right now it's slow AND everyone with high "skill" is dancing around like a ballerina.
The latency argument is a bad argument, i think. Going for less quality for one-server politics is understandable for a small studio but just not a good argument for the overall gameplay.
Either way i'll give this game a try and try to adopt to the combat. I'll really dig the vision for mo2, hope it will be succesful.
Are you talking about Skill points? everyone starts and stays with same maxed combat skills? If not I can't really make sense of what you are trying to say tbh sorry.
"Either way i'll give this game a try and try to adopt to the combat. " Sounds good.
Yeah, a lot of problems with TTK in the history of this game. First we had phalanx meta. Then tseudo meta. I've even heard of some upstart group called "The Vikings" using some shield wall meta. Block is OP and its destroying the game. No room for a skilled players to distinguish themselves. How many years is it going to take the devs to fix this crap?
When i fight someone obviously skilled in the game they always running back and forth and spinning around. Nothing a real knight would do.. So i would like a more realistic combat approach. More blocking and parrying instead of dancing around and trying to feint a slow swing hit,