Simple solution to haven;

Exiledkhallisi

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Make everything free at vendors, remove books so they cant be abused in carebear farmland. When you start in Nave nothing comes with you.

You gain basic experience and tutorial on how the game functions. Then you join the real world.
 

Gulith

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even better : zero gold transfer.
3g or 0g what's the difference?
the only difference would be that it would solve the issue 100%
As long as it is VERY clearly stated to the player BEFORE he starts farming.
 

Emdash

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I dislike haven, but you realize it does serve a purpose... getting people past their refund time for MO2 haha. I don't understand why haven had to exist and at launch, the stark difference between instanced minifarms and Myrland really stands out. It DOES help people get started, but I would probably debate whether it is gonna help people stay. There's no reason NOT to farm all your stuff there unless you are stupid like me and believe there is something to be gained in Myrland by going early.

Haven also has allowed people to play the game while the servers are going to shit. It seems like they are highly prioritizing Haven servers over MO servers, or maybe it's easier to maintain a low pop instance than it is an open world.

It's very sad. Been waiting for MO2. Got over (or am trying to get over) a lot of the new changes they added, but Haven itself is an admission of defeat, if you think about it, it's saying that the game itself is impossible to bend into a new player friendly experience. That's sad. That's lack of insight. Need more creative APEX thinking haha. Nah but, really, that's where high level intellect comes into play. Imaginary intelligence. The game should not be a slog where new players get GY farmed trying to stat up. There should be TONS OF THINGS for new players to do, they should be milking cows and everything, you know? There should be so much stuff to do that restricting pvp shouldn't even be an issue because there won't be enough pvpers to cover all the spots (assuming groups of pve-ers can defend themselves.)

Alas, we are here. We have seen the steam reviews of "Loved haven... then I got PK'd." Just from that statement... you should be able to extract a lot of info and build a more complex game that allows players with some willpower and inventive ideas to progress. Not everyone is gonna stay in MO, it's obvious, but Haven is just another thing that vets can use to surpass nubs. It separates people from the real world and creates a 'gated' sort of growth. You don't want people to have stages of growth where they take big steps like that. You want them to grow slowly. Tindrem was supposed to be that, then it turned into the most ghetto place ever. lol. So yea... bad design.

Hit me up SV, I'll help you fix your game, and I'll do it pro bono.
 

Balvrikk

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I don't understand why haven had to exist and at launch
We have seen the steam reviews of "Loved haven... then I got PK'd." Just from that statement
2 answers 1. the steam release for mo1 was a blood bath, horrificly killing of new players. heaven helps prevent that. yes they will get killed once they leave for sure. but it allows someone that has know idea of how this raw and somewhat complex game works then getting a reality check.
 

Emdash

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2 answers 1. the steam release for mo1 was a blood bath, horrificly killing of new players. heaven helps prevent that. yes they will get killed once they leave for sure. but it allows someone that has know idea of how this raw and somewhat complex game works then getting a reality check.

I was in Myrland within like 30 min after launch and there was no PKing that I saw haha. The reason steam launch was a disaster is because people were SO MAD. RPK basically said they were gonna camp them out of the game and they did. They spawned nubs in MK right into RPK's hands, another hard fail. The actual thing that was happening in the GY in Myr was EPIC LAG and SWARMING, not pvp... at all. I wanted to go check out other towns, but I CAN'T LOG IN. haha.

From a psychological standpoint, (look at my interaction w/ people on this forum for instance), people don't really like reality checks lol. That's what I mean by it should be a gradual process, like therapeutic guidance not just... play in the pen with the rubber balls then get thrown into daycare with 50 kids and 1 teacher GL SON.
 

Tilted.Fish

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Make everything free at vendors, remove books so they cant be abused in carebear farmland. When you start in Nave nothing comes with you.

You gain basic experience and tutorial on how the game functions. Then you join the real world.
I generally like the spirit of you idea.

New players need to learn the basics of the system market. Vendor system is fine.
Minimize the book selection to a few essentials so new players can learn how books work. I would consider that basic experience.
Allow players to bring over what's on their body. It's very minor and you should have a small reward. Carrots man, it's all about the carrots.
3G is nothing. Being able to buy a few bandages and some pig pie to get the farming started. Little issue.

TF
 
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