Right forgot about starter cities, yeah there should be some cap on the mat transfer then
Haven in MO2
- Thread starter Eldrath
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as long as they can only spawn in Haven once per account and cant go back, this really wont affect the economy much. The problem would be if you could keep rerolling characters and filling bank after bank of stuff then transporting it to myrland, THAT would be a disaster.
It's definitely my opinion and not intellectual dishonesty that there's a couple vets here who plain disagree philosophically with the idea of haven because it's not hardcore enough or what hardcore should be in MO in there eyes.
And that's fine, but it's most likely not gonna change because it was put in for a legitimate reason in the first place, and the island meets those needs currently for which it was designed.
It's funny to even see people get into an uproar over this, it's been in game for quite awhile now already and it's not news that the plan was always to carry it over to the new game.
status quo is no reason to not change something for the better. most vets had stopped playing mo by the time haven got implemented and thus had little input on the matter.
mo1's economy was jacked from day one. any number of exploits have messed it up even more over time, and then years of sv just sitting on their hands as people farm gold in their palisades while simultaneously complaining theres nobody to kill in the game because they're all hiding in palisades.
lets not have this happen in mo2. prevent exploits before they can happen, before they can become problems. wanting SV to change it after it has become a problem will likely put hernrik back into decision paralysis mode and nothing will get fixed.
if mo2 becomes as popular as we all hope, haven will become flooded with gold farmers who can farm in perfect safety and have their own network of mules to bring stuff over to myrland. this is a nightmare nobody wants. part of the glory of MO was that the murderous nature of the playerbase kept any gold farmers in check.
rather than insisting on allowing players to bring safezone mats to myrland, why not come up with a suitable 'care package' that all new players get after they arrive. Enough gear for them to not be completely useless for a few deaths but no mats or coin so it cant really be exploited.
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When I thought it would all be localized to Tindrem, maybe then there's risk involved in transporting it around the map. If you can just spawn in any city you please more or less though thats going to be a problem. Could make all items come from Haven not tradeable. That way then all you have to do is place your gold in a bag, droploot on a nodeline, and ticket a gm to trade you all the contents of your bag. Easy fix.
there wont be any gold farmers in haven if each transport to tindrem costs 65 bucks man (cost of game plus 1 month sub)
I absolutely agree with you about all the many things that attributed to the messed up economy over time. And they should definitely think about how what they put in the game will effect the economy long term. I always have, they continually messed it up along they way.
I am trying to point out that Haven, implemented just as it is but not allowing rerolled characters to go back there negates nearly all issues concerning this theoretical train of mules bringing unimaginable wealth to the mainland.
If you disagree on that point explain it to me because I just don't see it.
theres no knowing what the rate will be for rmt golds but certainly a bank full of gold will be worth more than $65 usd
plus dont other countries get the game for less (some kind of value-adjusted amount for different average incomes)? plus doesnt the initial cost of the game include 1 month sub? i remember hearing a month sub was like $3 USD if people in asia buy it, no idea if its true or not.
theres a few reasons to legit want to restart in haven
- premature myrlandification. new players excited to play the game come to myrland and get stomped because they didnt know what they were getting into and want to go back to experiment a bit before jumping in
- rerolling a new race and want to have an easier time doing some doing basic skillups in a safe area
- find out after some time that myrland really isnt for them but they really enjoy the game and want to continue in haven
gold farmers will exist, this is a known constant in the MMO landscape. certainly they will have no trouble funding a mule to take all the gold and mats over. heck in some cases they may not need to since new players will be in haven already and can do the transfer there.
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We can safely assume for the sake of argument that MO2 Haven will follow the same rules as MO1 Haven.
Meaning you cannot go back once you leave, and we only have one cha
We can safely assume for the sake of argument that MO2 Haven will follow the same rules as MO1 Haven.
Meaning you cannot go back once you leave. We also only have one character per account.
This means that you 100% will have to delete your second character and re-skill them in order to gather more resources efficiently on Haven after every transfer.
So regardless of how quickly you think you can level the dozen or so skills actually required to gather and extract materials of any value efficiently, it will still be an order of magnitude slower than consistently gathering resources on a fully skilled character on Myrland.
As previously stated, the very small number of people who actually bother to attempt this "exploit" will not impact the game in any meaningful way and will quickly realise that it's a waste of time, and that they could be putting their 40 USD + 15 USD / month secondary account to much better use by keeping it on Myrland.
Many people in this thread are making lots of assumptions about the impact of taking everything away from a new player and how it will affect their opinion of the game that I would argue are wholly incorrect.
The more time you invest into something, the more attached to it you become.
The more material wealth you gain in a game, the more attached to it you become.
You will care more about that save in skyrim where you have a house filled with things you have collected than when you first started with nothing.
Mortal is the same, and there is a reason guilds quit the game when their keep or house gets smashed down and looted.
Meaning you cannot go back once you leave, and we only have one cha
We can safely assume for the sake of argument that MO2 Haven will follow the same rules as MO1 Haven.
Meaning you cannot go back once you leave. We also only have one character per account.
This means that you 100% will have to delete your second character and re-skill them in order to gather more resources efficiently on Haven after every transfer.
So regardless of how quickly you think you can level the dozen or so skills actually required to gather and extract materials of any value efficiently, it will still be an order of magnitude slower than consistently gathering resources on a fully skilled character on Myrland.
As previously stated, the very small number of people who actually bother to attempt this "exploit" will not impact the game in any meaningful way and will quickly realise that it's a waste of time, and that they could be putting their 40 USD + 15 USD / month secondary account to much better use by keeping it on Myrland.
Many people in this thread are making lots of assumptions about the impact of taking everything away from a new player and how it will affect their opinion of the game that I would argue are wholly incorrect.
The more time you invest into something, the more attached to it you become.
The more material wealth you gain in a game, the more attached to it you become.
You will care more about that save in skyrim where you have a house filled with things you have collected than when you first started with nothing.
Mortal is the same, and there is a reason guilds quit the game when their keep or house gets smashed down and looted.
Actually Henrik said on Discord that they are looking into different rules to prevent exploitation. That is why I made this thread.
Your assumption that it won´t have an impact on the economy is pretty baseless. Farming without loss has to impact the economy. Why do we have full loot in the first place? Why do we have durability loss? According to your logic those are not needed either.
I agree that noobs should keep something from their toils. Just not a bank full of blood ore, waterstone, etc. That is where reasonable restrictions come in.
Paying more money should not enable you to farm in a safezone. That is what is called pay to win in my book. You pay, you get an unfair advantage.
Except I´ll have my resources and the ones I loot from your corpse. Good luck looting me on Haven.
Also I wouldn´t even reskill anything. I´d fill up a bank with blood ore, waterstone, etc.; transfer it to Myrland, process it there and have enough steel till MO3. That is actually what I did in MO1 in Morin Khur. Made a few stacks of everything I needed, reskilled my character and had enough to roam every day. Mind you in MK I actually had to look out for griefers. So Haven will be much more effective.
Anyway, I think I have discussed this to the point where it does not make sense to continue. I´m glad that some understood the purpose of this thread and contributed in a meaningful way.
I hope SV stays the course this time and does not give in towards the main stream. With the competition out there it´s good to have unique features.
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The arguments against recreation of characters in Haven are in most posts based on blood ore and waterstone. Another simple idea: Just remove both books from Haven's library and let both skills require a book instead of auto learning.
And about wood: Remove all dapplewood trees from Haven. Just use the trees with simple wood.
And about wood: Remove all dapplewood trees from Haven. Just use the trees with simple wood.
Yeah they should really limit the materials to the very basic. Maybe remove granum altogether and leave saburra only. Also why are there horned scales, molarium, ironbone, silk, etc.? Leave noobs with emalj, leather or keelled scales. No need for mid tier mats in Haven.
This has more or less been my argument as to why i say they need "More" things to do in the start of the game rather then "Less"
At a house wall you can find several statues with signs like "change to Bakti" for the different cities of Myrland. Press R at a statue for 20 or 30 seconds while the circle fills. Then you get logged out and you have to log in again to enter the selected city.
This is just my opinion but overall, I would like to remind the major reason why Haven was needed: to accommodate new players. Without Haven the whole point of making the game more accessible to a higher population and more inviting to new players without any previous knowledge or that never tried the genre before would crumble.
Though I think there is ways to control it so Haven won't unbalance the rest of Nave economics and wont be a grind carrier.
Options I would ponder over would be: having trade unavailable in Haven, being unable to carry over raw mats to Nave. So that way you could make your equip if you were an armorer, your weapons if you you're a blacksmith, prepare rations, save some money, get a pet but not carry over raw materials.
Forbidding trade would block a major community feature in the game, though carrying nothing over at all would make most people just wanna skip haven and eventually there would be the misconception of just skipping it and then we'd be back at stage one of players missing out on the game basics. Even now I still feel like Haven tutorials should either be voiced or more didactic.
Though I think there is ways to control it so Haven won't unbalance the rest of Nave economics and wont be a grind carrier.
Options I would ponder over would be: having trade unavailable in Haven, being unable to carry over raw mats to Nave. So that way you could make your equip if you were an armorer, your weapons if you you're a blacksmith, prepare rations, save some money, get a pet but not carry over raw materials.
Forbidding trade would block a major community feature in the game, though carrying nothing over at all would make most people just wanna skip haven and eventually there would be the misconception of just skipping it and then we'd be back at stage one of players missing out on the game basics. Even now I still feel like Haven tutorials should either be voiced or more didactic.
