"Star Vault Statement on Its Mistakes and Plan to Fix Them"

[Emdash]

I feel like if I write too much you don't read all of the words. You miss 'nots,' etc.

It also allows you to ignore important parts of my post. So, disregarding what you said:

1. What is the bet that we are betting? I am not one of those dudes who just says yeah yeah yeah and never bets.

Two things I would say that are NOT related to the balance you speak of are Bridge and Character Migration between servers, so if those things happen, we will have to adjust for that.

Balance can be done for more than combat, also, but I will give you that because I sincerely doubt SV is gonna balance the game systems that matter.

Wanna go 1000 pop avg by new year? Lasting for at least one month? They will do sales, I am sure, but i still doubt they will raise pop on that level unless they drastically adjust the game to make it interesting to new players.

2. You say low IQ so much. I know it's a meme, but I wonder, what is your IQ? I also wonder what you age is, if you would offer that.

What I wanted was a 'balance' of more than thursar vs alvarin. You think that alone will reinvigorate the game. Let's see.

And remember, they said they were gonna look at the data and look at the skills. All those numbers you posted and situations have been available to them and spoken of the whole time said skills existed.

You want what you to do be the best again, and that's cool. I wouldn't be mad if it was. But I want a functional sandbox.

I don't think more than 50% of the pop cares that alvarin is OP. I don't think new players really care. It's a very sweat issue that, yes, affects me and I don't like it... but most people will quit before that due to how the game is.

If they don't balance GRIND / Vertical progression and allow people to make a difference thru siege / war dec, combat is still gonna be the same 500 sweaties who play 10 hours a day.

I think we can get back over 500 avg with some good balance. Could be the game you love. Will be interesting to see what happens ifwhen the balance they do isn't what you want them to do haha.

 

[Iloros]

Why would I not want them to balance the game?

They are going to USE DATA and BALANCE. Do you know how many things that can be balanced? A lot of that shit is indeed busted, but what i'm saying is what makes you think they are going to make meaningful changes and/or changes that you like?

They had the data from people posting over like 5 years, brother.

I do want to wager that the pop will not be 1200 concurrent by New Years. Would you like to change it a little, so you aren't handing me an automatic win?

The wager, on my side, is simple: if you are wrong, I don't want you to ever post on this forum again. There are many other places you can shit up. The Iloros forum era is depressing af to me.

Dude you first literally said that anything past content additions is a speculation when THEY ANNOUNCED CLADE BALANCE CHANGES!

You are moving goalposts fully.

PEOPLE POSTING IS IRRELEVANT BIASED SMALL SAMPLE DATA.

You are low IQ mate nothing else can be said.

I know they will change it towards the stuff I like because the stuff I like is weak and underplayed obviously. And they namw thowe things, they named as first 4 data points



1. Clades
2. Bloodlines
3. Clade gifts
4. Mastery gifts

What the absolute fuck do you think is gonna happen?



They buff Alvarins and nerf Humans?

They buff Sheevra and nerf Kallards?

They buff Alvarin sight and armor pierce and nerf Adrenaline (thursar gift) and Thermoregulation?

They buff +1 health and nerf +0.1% stamina regeneration lol???



Its clear whats gonna happen, they will nerf Alvarins, buff Thursars and Humans, in general, but they will probably buff and nerf all the weak or op aspects about each race.

I would not be mad about a buff to say Alvarins if they have some masteries that noone ever picks as long as overall its a nerf.

Same with Thursars, you can nerf lifesteal to 20-26 duration instead of 25-31

As long as you giga buff battlecry and adrenaline so battlecry gives like 100 strength at max rank and adrenaline gets a rework to be scaling damage and stam gain based on health lost lets say up to 15% at 10% hp starting at 3% at % hp.

I feel like if I write too much you don't read all of the words. You miss 'nots,' etc.

It also allows you to ignore important parts of my post. So, disregarding what you said:

1. What is the bet that we are betting? I am not one of those dudes who just says yeah yeah yeah and never bets.

Two things I would say that are NOT related to the balance you speak of are Bridge and Character Migration between servers, so if those things happen, we will have to adjust for that.

Balance can be done for more than combat, also, but I will give you that because I sincerely doubt SV is gonna balance the game systems that matter.

Wanna go 1000 pop avg by new year? Lasting for at least one month? They will do sales, I am sure, but i still doubt they will raise pop on that level unless they drastically adjust the game to make it interesting to new players.

2. You say low IQ so much. I know it's a meme, but I wonder, what is your IQ? I also wonder what you age is, if you would offer that.

What I wanted was a 'balance' of more than thursar vs alvarin. You think that alone will reinvigorate the game. Let's see.

And remember, they said they were gonna look at the data and look at the skills. All those numbers you posted and situations have been available to them and spoken of the whole time said skills existed.

You want what you to do be the best again, and that's cool. I wouldn't be mad if it was. But I want a functional sandbox.

I don't think more than 50% of the pop cares that alvarin is OP. I don't think new players really care. It's a very sweat issue that, yes, affects me and I don't like it... but most people will quit before that due to how the game is.

If they don't balance GRIND / Vertical progression and allow people to make a difference thru siege / war dec, combat is still gonna be the same 500 sweaties who play 10 hours a day.

I think we can get back over 500 avg with some good balance. Could be the game you love. Will be interesting to see what happens ifwhen the balance they do isn't what you want them to do haha.

Whole lotta nothing

Do you concede you are wrong when you said that anything other than them sdding vontent is a speculation, and now agree that thex are clearlx doing combat balance as I asked which makes my claim right?

We can bet Beth Jedda gold as I said.

Your combat claims are irrelevant and thats why we can wager instesd. How about January hits 1000 peak? Which shows a 3x increase from current.

Current is way lower than I thought games actually on deaths door rn. I think it growing 3x over months is reasonable enough proof that balance works.

You obsess over irrelevant large scale stuff like "making a difference through sieging" dude that shit literally doesnt mstter at all and is not staple in these kinds of games, its a nieche mortal went for that in reality not many people care about or enjoy at all.

99% of the players joined and porb didnt think of sieges once except msybe being scsred their stuff gets sieged. They tried to rebalance it time and time again it doesnt work.

Hell the game doesnt even work performance wise and never will.

Again you guys can NEVER explain how "Thursar meta" had 1400 pop with 1 dungeon no relics no outposts crashes in 20v20s let alone sieges no Sarducca obviously, tons more bugs etc. 1400 mfs rode around grinded for exp and did solo small scale pvp

It was a blast we had every build imaginable being ran to a reasonable extend except the Oghmirs, truthfully.

We had constant solo small scale over every POI almost

Snd then thex buffed Alvarins and no kidding game hasnt recovered since.

And the same would have happened with sarducca btw, IF and only IF the meta wasnt the worst single meta in sny game yi have ever played. They had MAs and Alvaruns and thats literally ir. First few weeks when most people quit it was actuslly ALL MAs literally a group of 5 MAs come ajd kill you in no time with 0 counterplsy at a newbie POI lmao

Good luck bro giant open desert and barely nerfed MA almsot like my post that Robmo deleted verbatim predicts it all.

I predicted the sarducca fall and whats gonna happen almost 1-1

And yes they will balance other stuff not just Thursars and Alvarins for 4 months lol they will do balance till the enx of the year in 4 biggest balance patches they ever did, hell I predict amount of changes almost no game ever did based on FarmerJoes wording, maybe Path of Exiles.

You will prob see 200-300 straight up number changes such as "Empower buffed to 20% damage increase" in the next patch note. Ofc many will not be combat related either. And they said some content is coming, such as more
POIs more mobs etc more random spawns etc. Maybe new weapons and magic?

 

[Emdash]

@ 1400 people, I think that was pre sub haha.

@ me admitting I am wrong, please post what I said because I don't think I said that they were just gonna add content.

Remember, the last big patch they did made all bugs mountable + multi mount campos.

@ bet, no that doesn't work for me. 1k peak could happen on a fluke. Sooner or later, they will release the bridge. I also do not want pixels in a game I may never play again.

Let's do incremental wagers. Let's bet on this current patch that is PTRing 14th. What pop do you think it will generate?

Siege is very important for the greater landscape of the game. It is the full loot TC part. It drives the economy and content. It's about more than just pvping at pois, lets be real.

I 'really quit' right before sub. I logged in and tried to play a bit more, but ultimately just couldn't do it. That was in... march23? There is a profile post of it.

One could argue that population 'boom' of that time was due to some people trying to grind before sub and other people trying to enjoy the game before sub kicked in. After that, the pop fell off, and I don't think they buffed alvarin then at all.

BUT if you consider I was gone from like march23 to some time in 25, you can definitely look at how the game dropped off completely in that time. I came back for some memes and hoped to talk some sense into people, but it's all the same shit. If the game crashes and burns at this point, I am pretty satisfied with my effort. You were the one who said all it needed was a little balance, so let's see. I hope they balance it really well. That will be cool, but I bet it won't make many people invest time and money in this game.

 

[MO2RIP]

@ bet, no that doesn't work for me. 1k peak could happen on a fluke. Sooner or later, they will release the bridge. I also do not want pixels in a game I may never play again.

ima play, ima keep telling them how to fix da gm, even if they don't listen, then when all my friends finally quit, I will prob quit, too.

 

[Iloros]

@ 1400 people, I think that was pre sub haha.

@ me admitting I am wrong, please post what I said because I don't think I said that they were just gonna add content.

Remember, the last big patch they did made all bugs mountable + multi mount campos.

@ bet, no that doesn't work for me. 1k peak could happen on a fluke. Sooner or later, they will release the bridge. I also do not want pixels in a game I may never play again.

Let's do incremental wagers. Let's bet on this current patch that is PTRing 14th. What pop do you think it will generate?

Siege is very important for the greater landscape of the game. It is the full loot TC part. It drives the economy and content. It's about more than just pvping at pois, lets be real.

I 'really quit' right before sub. I logged in and tried to play a bit more, but ultimately just couldn't do it. That was in... march23? There is a profile post of it.

One could argue that population 'boom' of that time was due to some people trying to grind before sub and other people trying to enjoy the game before sub kicked in. After that, the pop fell off, and I don't think they buffed alvarin then at all.

BUT if you consider I was gone from like march23 to some time in 25, you can definitely look at how the game dropped off completely in that time. I came back for some memes and hoped to talk some sense into people, but it's all the same shit. If the game crashes and burns at this point, I am pretty satisfied with my effort. You were the one who said all it needed was a little balance, so let's see. I hope they balance it really well. That will be cool, but I bet it won't make many people invest time and money in this game.

that was post sub.
Now you have to re-adress everything I said and not dismiss it with a lie, litearlly THE WHOLE COMMENT or you are not engaging in the argument AS ALWAYS, rather just ignoring everything and yapping about irrelevant stuff.

Game had 1450 peaks during Thursar meta, it now has 350 peaks.

1k cannot happen on a fluke, current peaks are 350 LOL?!?!?!?
Okay if you are scared to wager that's on you mate. If peaks 3x over 4 balance focused patches, that proves balance is great for retnetion and pop which proves you wrong, you said maybe game stales at 500 pop, well 1k is 2x that and 3x the current pop lmao.

You don't even play mate, you are clueless. TC does not drive economy as a majority of cost unless you make it mandatory, it never will.

The population boom couldnt be that, you cant argue that, give me the argument if you can argue that LMAO

It dropped of f because they giga buffed Alvarins and made the game miserable to play. Since the meta shift it has ALWAYS dwindling to 300s until a big patch, because the meta is just that unbearable for most people, the retention will go into 300s until a content patch o nrepeat, and Sarducca made it very clear, it doesnt matter how many people come, it will very soon be the same 200-300 Alvarin zerglings that play.
Now try to address a single argument I make instead of full ignoring every major point, or put in some effort and make an argument yourself.
If you concede game will reach 1k peak which is 3x current peak within 3 months of balance patches, then you frankly concede balance works. It wont randomly reach 1k peaks, and ESPECIALLY NOT if they waste 4 times doing as you say "irrelevant stuff"...

You are so out of touch man

 

[Emdash]

You are so out of touch man

1200 avg is quite different than 1000 peak. 1000 peak could happen some time in Jan due to bridge + sale and you'd still be thinking you were right. The lows right now are artificially low because people are protesting. If the pop settles back in, that's probably 600 (avg) already. Those people are prol still subbed or would instantly sub, that's not growing the game or fixing anything.

Let's watch the pop after each of these patches, and I hope that they see they need to make an actual sandbox world after the first or second one and start working on that, too.

1000 people on at one time during a whole month is not an accomplishment and proves nothing. Look at the Chart of Steam. It goes up and down toward 1k. A lot probably related to when they put the game on sale for 10 dollars or whatever.

 

[Emdash]

you are clueless.

If you have some thoughts on balance, I would love to hear them, here: https://mortalonline2.com/forums/threads/low-hanging-fruit-balance-before-the-new-year.15034/

 

[Iloros]

1200 avg is quite different than 1000 peak. 1000 peak could happen some time in Jan due to bridge + sale and you'd still be thinking you were right. The lows right now are artificially low because people are protesting. If the pop settles back in, that's probably 600 (avg) already. Those people are prol still subbed or would instantly sub, that's not growing the game or fixing anything.

Let's watch the pop after each of these patches, and I hope that they see they need to make an actual sandbox world after the first or second one and start working on that, too.

1000 people on at one time during a whole month is not an accomplishment and proves nothing. Look at the Chart of Steam. It goes up and down toward 1k. A lot probably related to when they put the game on sale for 10 dollars or whatever.

Its literally 3x the peak for the bet and proves balance worked and there is no evidence of people protesting, im no protesting the game is just that bad.

Pre january could be the bet but you already chickened out.

I did balance takes plenty times. You will hear about them on the PTR date.

 

[Emdash]

Its literally 3x the peak for the bet and proves balance worked and there is no evidence of people protesting, im no protesting the game is just that bad.

Pre january could be the bet but you already chickened out.

I did balance takes plenty times. You will hear about them on the PTR date.

you are wrong and have been repeatedly wrong in this thread It's unfortunately all saved and most of your shit is quoted so you can't edit it.

If you think you have any new ideas about balance, I encourage you to go back and look at some of the regular posters past posts. It is the same shit we have all been talking about for years. I challenge you to find one thing you are asking to be changed (at least that isn't off the wall like size based intelligence,) that I haven't already asked for earlier.

Use google.

But yeah, I feel this thread has served its purpose. I am glad they are doing something, but I hope they build on it and do something worthwhile.

 

[MO2RIP]

Use google.

But yeah, I feel this thread has served its purpose. I am glad they are doing something, but I hope they build on it and do something worthwhile.

Why isn't there a feedback section in the discord? Could do it like Pax Dei's stuff was and have it set to you can only post one per 24 hours, refresh after each patch, let people react to show how well received an idea is. Google docs is ehh

 

[Iloros]

you are wrong and have been repeatedly wrong in this thread It's unfortunately all saved and most of your shit is quoted so you can't edit it.

If you think you have any new ideas about balance, I encourage you to go back and look at some of the regular posters past posts. It is the same shit we have all been talking about for years. I challenge you to find one thing you are asking to be changed (at least that isn't off the wall like size based intelligence,) that I haven't already asked for earlier.

Use google.

But yeah, I feel this thread has served its purpose. I am glad they are doing something, but I hope they build on it and do something worthwhile.

Thst means nothing. I am literally right, you gave up and just said "wrong" called it a dsy? Crazy work.

You havent asked for Thursar adrenaline ability to get reworked into scaling damage bonus on low health.

There you go, meets your conditions.

Hows that even relevant?

They will build on it and you are too cowardly to bet on a 3x peak via balanca patches which proves they work.

 

[Iloros]

Why isn't there a feedback section in the discord? Could do it like Pax Dei's stuff was and have it set to you can only post one per 24 hours, refresh after each patch, let people react to show how well received an idea is. Google docs is ehh

I don't believe asking people for balance in 200 pop game. Its gonna have a huge survivor bias towards the strongest playstyles because everyone esle left.

Its basically gonna be Veela zerglings asking for Thursar nerfs and more zvz conrent, naturally, if they made Thursar solo giga OP ir would be 150 Thursars asking for 18th soloable melee boss only they can kill and another mage nerf.

 

[Gnidex]

Just read Robmo's leak, there is no saving this shitshow until Henrik is in charge. And he's too busy roleplaying a game designer to actually give a shit about the game. It's his and his pet streamers' private server, we're just guests here.

 

[Emdash]

Just read Robmo's leak, there is no saving this shitshow until Henrik is in charge. And he's too busy roleplaying a game designer to actually give a shit about the game. It's his and his pet streamers' private server, we're just guests here.

yah, crazy. It's like a cult haha.

also @ thursar dmg scaling with low health. I meant something you think might actually make it into the game. They doin that?

 

[Emdash]

Thst means nothing. I am literally right, you gave up and just said "wrong" called it a dsy? Crazy work.

some day you will stop being a bitchboi. I look forward to conversation then.

 

[Iloros]

yah, crazy. It's like a cult haha.

also @ thursar dmg scaling with low health. I meant something you think might actually make it into the game. They doin that?

You didnt specify and why would you assume I think it might not make it? Its a common archetype ability and is already coded in the game. They are doing clade rebalance and theres 3 useless Thursar clade gifts...