Why the Nave World Chat is Genius

[Sally]

This change will undoubtedly get SOME backlash from a vocal minority of the community; but these people are shortsighted and wrong.

I'm going to explain why this addition is actually genius.

This game works on player interaction primarily. You've cleverly designed the game to allow player interactions to occur naturally. However, it often felt like the GMs would sometimes get in the way of some of the more... Negative player interactions.

Allowing drama in a game that revolves around player interaction as content is KEY. In, essence, drama makes player events meaningful.

Now, nobody is saying this should be taken to real life, and that is certainly where the line must be drawn. But any insulting held entirely within the game, about the game or how someone may play it, should be completely fair game.

Someone slanders someone's real life? Obviously that can't be accepted. Someone threatens? Again, no.. Of course, you know this..

This chat however, has now allowed ingame drama to flourish, and in doing so, has made the conflicts more meaningful. Already, after just a day, the game feels more alive, with more emotion and more meaning behind what is happening. That is EXACTLY what you want to make the game thrive, and to enhance player interactions.

So yes.. Not sure if anyone reads these forums, but this was an excellent change.

 

[Xunila]

Are you really reading and following the global spam chat? As my first action after this patch I removed both the help chat and the global chat. I want to play the game and don't want to read stupid discussions.

 

[MortalEnjoyer42069]

Global chat cringe. Another nail in the coffin of the original vision.

 

[CherryKush]

I agree with Sally on this one, yes most of it is probably going to be cringe but it is the rivalries and conflict drama between players and guilds that will make the world seem more alive giving purpose to the fighting. Just reading that chat might give some guilds an excuse to side with one side or the other having previously no idea there was even a feud. I think its a positive overall for the game.

 

[Emdash]

Are you really reading and following the global spam chat? As my first action after this patch I removed both the help chat and the global chat. I want to play the game and don't want to read stupid discussions.

same. I guess it's cool for people who want it, tho. I am not a fan, but I don't think it offers that much of an advantage. It just suspends realism.

 

[finegamingconnoisseur]

I silently observed the general chat as I played the game, and while the... banter has not changed, at least now help chat exists in its own zone, and general chat can do its thing without the GMs having to occasionally step in to remind people to stay on topic.

All in all, this is a monumental step forward for the in-game chat.

 

[Sally]

Global chat cringe. Another nail in the coffin of the original vision.

Global chat already existed.. Guilds literally had global chat.. I'm not sure what you mean?

Is it so bad that solos have it now too?

You're complaining about something that always existed for the most advantaged players on the game anyway.

 

[Jackdstripper]

Its nothing but server wide trash talking channel. In the 1 hour i watched it, it was nothing but self stroking parade of shit talkers that are obviously bored out of their minds, and just want to stroke their ego by trash talking anyone they can.

And its only gonna get worse. Every pvp encounter will devolve into a post op trash talking contest in general chat. The trash talk will get more and more ignorant and GMs will have to sit there all day banning people.

On top of this people will be calling out any and every move of their enemies. It will be impossible to do anything in game without people alerting the whole server. Impossible to roam without every move being called out in general chat.

Its cancer. This will not build the community. It will be used to shame, ridicule and anger people even more, to accuse people of cheating, and spread false information about individuals/guilds/alliances. It will be a race to the bottom. The loud mouthed minority are always the most unhinged. You will see.

 

[Turbizzler]

Its nothing but server wide trash talking channel. In the 1 hour i watched it, it was nothing but self stroking parade of shit talkers that are obviously bored out of their minds, and just want to stroke their ego by trash talking anyone they can.

And its only gonna get worse. Every pvp encounter will devolve into a post op trash talking contest in general chat. The trash talk will get more and more ignorant and GMs will have to sit there all day banning people.

On top of this people will be calling out any and every move of their enemies. It will be impossible to do anything in game without people alerting the whole server. Impossible to roam without every move being called out in general chat.

Its cancer. This will not build the community. It will be used to shame, ridicule and anger people even more, to accuse people of cheating, and spread false information about individuals/guilds/alliances. It will be a race to the bottom. The loud mouthed minority are always the most unhinged. You will see.

This was the original reason to why MO1 never had global chat. Would be nothing more than people giving live commentary on others locations to the whole server, with then others counter trolling giving away fake positions etc and then others getting themselves chat banned from toxic brainlet behaviour. So basically just help chat, just separated in it's own space.

 

[Emdash]

Its nothing but server wide trash talking channel. In the 1 hour i watched it, it was nothing but self stroking parade of shit talkers that are obviously bored out of their minds, and just want to stroke their ego by trash talking anyone they can.

And its only gonna get worse. Every pvp encounter will devolve into a post op trash talking contest in general chat. The trash talk will get more and more ignorant and GMs will have to sit there all day banning people.

On top of this people will be calling out any and every move of their enemies. It will be impossible to do anything in game without people alerting the whole server. Impossible to roam without every move being called out in general chat.

Its cancer. This will not build the community. It will be used to shame, ridicule and anger people even more, to accuse people of cheating, and spread false information about individuals/guilds/alliances. It will be a race to the bottom. The loud mouthed minority are always the most unhinged. You will see.

That's why siege windows are trash. Dudes should be able to invest and siege your shit. It should be last man standing. If you troll people enough, they should be able to find a time to siege you. It just changes everything. The people shit talking are prol both in huge guilds too.

And I agree with what people say about there being call outs in third party stuff, so I dunno if it matters. It almost makes it more 'fair' with it being global.

I never understood it, dudes wanted me to jump in every freaking fight they had. It's not even about loyalty. It just seems stupid to log on everyone and fight whenever something goes down. If I run into something, that's different, or it's my friend, but yeah, IT BECOMES MORE ZERGY. When will they learn?

 

[MortalEnjoyer42069]

Global chat already existed.. Guilds literally had global chat.. I'm not sure what you mean?

Is it so bad that solos have it now too?

You're complaining about something that always existed for the most advantaged players on the game anyway.

Help chat was never meant to be a global chat and it was supposed to be removed. Guild chat also isnt a global chat. The games design intention is that it is constructed as a hard core mmo. One of the ways it does this is by not allowing for a global chat that allows callouts through in game means. If you want global chat you really dont want to play MO.

 

[Sally]

Help chat was never meant to be a global chat and it was supposed to be removed. Guild chat also isnt a global chat. The games design intention is that it is constructed as a hard core mmo. One of the ways it does this is by not allowing for a global chat that allows callouts through in game means. If you want global chat you really dont want to play MO.

Guild chat is global chat, as in, it ignore all distance.

If immersion were truly what you care about, then world chat already existed for guilds.

 

[Sally]

Its nothing but server wide trash talking channel. In the 1 hour i watched it, it was nothing but self stroking parade of shit talkers that are obviously bored out of their minds, and just want to stroke their ego by trash talking anyone they can.

And its only gonna get worse. Every pvp encounter will devolve into a post op trash talking contest in general chat. The trash talk will get more and more ignorant and GMs will have to sit there all day banning people.

On top of this people will be calling out any and every move of their enemies. It will be impossible to do anything in game without people alerting the whole server. Impossible to roam without every move being called out in general chat.

Its cancer. This will not build the community. It will be used to shame, ridicule and anger people even more, to accuse people of cheating, and spread false information about individuals/guilds/alliances. It will be a race to the bottom. The loud mouthed minority are always the most unhinged. You will see.

A) People already alerted everyone who is most likely to help them in the world: their guild. So world chat PVP callouts have always been a thing.

B) You pointed out people talk in the chat because they're bored. Your alternative being that they remain bored. Again, how is that a good thing? You're essentially saying it is a solution to boredom.

C) There are cheaters on this game who should be pointed out. Infact, i've used the chat for that purpose several times myself. The game has cheaters. I want people to know these people are cheaters.

D) There are still rules about what you can and can't say in the chat. We should be able to spread information about ingame stuff, when it gets into real life, obviously that is a problem. Like making up lies about a person's real life etc.

The people who dislike the nave chat are mini-tyrants. They do not like people behaving in a way they dislike. They dislike anything that can be seen as negative. People need to be able to say negative things; it is human to do so. What is with this obsession with banning a natural human emotion?

 

[MortalEnjoyer42069]

Guild chat is global chat, as in, it ignore all distance.

If immersion were truly what you care about, then world chat already existed for guilds.

I don't care that a guild can communicate. I care that some meduli idiot can rally the entire server to come kill me because I killed their springbok.

 

[Jackdstripper]

A) People already alerted everyone who is most likely to help them in the world: their guild. So world chat PVP callouts have always been a thing.

B) You pointed out people talk in the chat because they're bored. Your alternative being that they remain bored. Again, how is that a good thing? You're essentially saying it is a solution to boredom.

C) There are cheaters on this game who should be pointed out. Infact, i've used the chat for that purpose several times myself. The game has cheaters. I want people to know these people are cheaters.

D) There are still rules about what you can and can't say in the chat. We should be able to spread information about ingame stuff, when it gets into real life, obviously that is a problem. Like making up lies about a person's real life etc.

The people who dislike the nave chat are mini-tyrants. They do not like people behaving in a way they dislike. They dislike anything that can be seen as negative. People need to be able to say negative things; it is human to do so. What is with this obsession with banning a natural human emotion?

Completely disagree.
People in competitive pvp games are unable to remain decent and respectful in an open chat setting. Its been proven time and time again. Self expression does not mean you can verbally abuse others. No matter what you are feeling. Your feelings are your responsibility to manage correctly. It is perfectly fine to state a negative or contrary opinion. It is not okey to become vulgar, hateful and verbally abusive simply because your emotions have been triggered. This goes for gaming interactions just like real life ones. If you start verbally abusing someone in real life you can be charged under the law. Unfortunately, too many people use these channels to vent any and all frustrations, too often by singling out individuals and vulgarly berating them.

Ive already seen all of the above in only a few hours looking at that chat. SV does not do a good job at monitoring the chats or banning people. They never have.

 

[Sally]

Completely disagree.
People in competitive pvp games are unable to remain decent and respectful in an open chat setting. Its been proven time and time again. Self expression does not mean you can verbally abuse others. No matter what you are feeling. Your feelings are your responsibility to manage correctly. It is perfectly fine to state a negative or contrary opinion. It is not okey to become vulgar, hateful and verbally abusive simply because your emotions have been triggered. This goes for gaming interactions just like real life ones. If you start verbally abusing someone in real life you can be charged under the law. Unfortunately, too many people use these channels to vent any and all frustrations, too often by singling out individuals and vulgarly berating them.

Ive already seen all of the above in only a few hours looking at that chat. SV does not do a good job at monitoring the chats or banning people. They never have.

The mistake you're making, in my opinion, is that it isn't strictly competitive as a main focus; it is actually aiming to be immersive.

This isn't a sport.

This is an attempt at an immersive world with a focus on player generated content.

This is why the game is locked to first person. Why there are roleplay elements tied to various aspects of the game, like say, ritualism, or feeding your horse etc...

It isn't trying to be competitive at the core. It isn't a fair game; and that is by design. Like real life, Nave is not fair.

This is why the way people communicate with eachother has to be treated differently than say, a game like LoL or something. The players drive the content through their interaction. It is an immersive role playing game at heart.

 

[Sally]

I don't care that a guild can communicate. I care that some meduli idiot can rally the entire server to come kill me because I killed their springbok.

Be realistic, how likely is that to happen? You're going to get a complete stranger to come and help you.. If it were so easy to influence people, we'd all be millionaires.