"Star Vault Statement on Its Mistakes and Plan to Fix Them"

Iloros

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I guess the best way for you to understand it would be this.

What is your greatest accomplishment in MO history? What have you done to influence the world? You can post it or you can just call it to mind.

You are speaking with people who have done a lot of 'influencing' the greater game landscape, and, at its core, I believe we all wish there was more of that in MO2.

I still think MO is the closest to what I want in a game, but they have neutered it, and the fact that they refuse to make what I feel are necessary changes is what bothers me the most. I am not as bothered by unkept promises as others cuz I never really bought into that shit anyway.

Peace tho and stop trolling, learn to listen and, at times, take an L when you are out of pocket haha.
that's a fallacy and completely irrelevant.

I am also more known than all of you combined in current mo2 scope, and not only due to discussions if that is truly what you care about (I don't)

You are the one trolling, I am literally responding to each and every argument you make, they are fallacious and backed by nothing.



Like this comment you just made does not interact with what I said AT ALL.
 
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that's a fallacy and completely irrelevant.

I am also more known than all of you combined in current mo2 scope, and not only due to discussions if that is truly what you care about (I don't)

You are the one trolling, I am literally responding to each and every argument you make, they are fallacious and backed by nothing.



Like this comment you just made does not interact with what I said AT ALL.

it does, cuz it is a real world example of what we are talking about. This is your biggest problem, you can read things and for the most part comprehend them (tho you do skip over parts that aren't convenient for you,) but you seem unable to take knowledge and apply it elsewhere.

I didn't say anything about you being known. I said what have you DONE. How have you influenced the world? Did you get mastery 100? You know, I used to play Black Desert a bit and had some fun. People would post videos of them farming for an hour. The metric was like silver per hour, and they would be displaying speed run level skills, dashing between mobs, doing everything as perfectly as possible. That was awesome, and I respected their skill, but did their action impact the greater landscape of the game? No, it didn't.

I feel like I could probably lead you, step by step, to the conclusion of what I have been trying to say, but I feel that you would drag your feet like you do every other time you get to a point you do not like.

Short words:

YOU WANT COMBAT BALANCE. YOU WANT TO HAVE A FIGHT THAT, ONCE ALL PARTIES ARE COMMITTED, NO ONE CAN DISENGAGE FROM. Very noble points, and most people agree with you.

I (WE) WANT A WORLD THAT SHIFTS BASED ON OUR ACTIONS. Not what our loot luck bonus is depending on the outpost we hold, but the whole game. For me, I can play another game if I don't want that.

Hidden within your posts is the same thing I have been saying, but you are either too obtuse or you are being disingenuous. You say people want small scale and not zerg. Me, too.

Imagine NOT being an ant. We were not ants. The game was different. We want that again. :)
 
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that's a fallacy and completely irrelevant.

I am also more known than all of you combined in current mo2 scope, and not only due to discussions if that is truly what you care about (I don't)

You are the one trolling, I am literally responding to each and every argument you make, they are fallacious and backed by nothing.



Like this comment you just made does not interact with what I said AT ALL.
Your comment is the most delusional, insecure, and arrogant thing I’ve seen in a long time. The fact that you proclaim yourself "much more well-known" makes me laugh and actually moves me. You’re just a poor kid. You don’t know a thing. A lot of people are laughing at you right now. Please, I beg you, don’t humiliate yourself any further. It’s too uncomfortable to watch, haha.
 

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that's a fallacy and completely irrelevant.

I am also more known than all of you combined in current mo2 scope, and not only due to discussions if that is truly what you care about (I don't)

You are the one trolling, I am literally responding to each and every argument you make, they are fallacious and backed by nothing.



Like this comment you just made does not interact with what I said AT ALL.
You ignored most of what I said though.

Either way it’s apples and oranges.

We are saying that the game is missing core sandbox elements that make it a living and functional game.

You are saying that literally all the games problems boil down to elves and the pop would be over 9000 if it wasn’t for those pesky elves

One of these is obviously the radical idiotic and illlogical position.

Again the game was dog ass when it was thursar online and making it thursar online again is not going to fix anything.

We are conceding that the combat probably has an effect. You however are stating that it is the only issue. You are the unreasonable one.
 
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Iloros

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it does, cuz it is a real world example of what we are talking about. This is your biggest problem, you can read things and for the most part comprehend them (tho you do skip over parts that aren't convenient for you,) but you seem unable to take knowledge and apply it elsewhere.

I didn't say anything about you being known. I said what have you DONE. How have you influenced the world? Did you get mastery 100? You know, I used to play Black Desert a bit and had some fun. People would post videos of them farming for an hour. The metric was like silver per hour, and they would be displaying speed run level skills, dashing between mobs, doing everything as perfectly as possible. That was awesome, and I respected their skill, but did their action impact the greater landscape of the game? No, it didn't.

I feel like I could probably lead you, step by step, to the conclusion of what I have been trying to say, but I feel that you would drag your feet like you do every other time you get to a point you do not like.

Short words:

YOU WANT COMBAT BALANCE. YOU WANT TO HAVE A FIGHT THAT, ONCE ALL PARTIES ARE COMMITTED, NO ONE CAN DISENGAGE FROM. Very noble points, and most people agree with you.

I (WE) WANT A WORLD THAT SHIFTS BASED ON OUR ACTIONS. Not what our loot luck bonus is depending on the outpost we hold, but the whole game. For me, I can play another game if I don't want that.

Hidden within your posts is the same thing I have been saying, but you are either too obtuse or you are being disingenuous. You say people want small scale and not zerg. Me, too.

Imagine NOT being an ant. We were not ants. The game was different. We want that again. :)
It does not matter what you want.

What matters it what works, and my propositions work based on other games in the genre and even history of this game.

You were ants, noone but select few knows or remembers you even if you did some thing you think is grandiose.

I want general game balance not just combat.

And balance is mandatory, your fantasies arent.
 

Iloros

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it does, cuz it is a real world example of what we are talking about. This is your biggest problem, you can read things and for the most part comprehend them (tho you do skip over parts that aren't convenient for you,) but you seem unable to take knowledge and apply it elsewhere.

I didn't say anything about you being known. I said what have you DONE. How have you influenced the world? Did you get mastery 100? You know, I used to play Black Desert a bit and had some fun. People would post videos of them farming for an hour. The metric was like silver per hour, and they would be displaying speed run level skills, dashing between mobs, doing everything as perfectly as possible. That was awesome, and I respected their skill, but did their action impact the greater landscape of the game? No, it didn't.

I feel like I could probably lead you, step by step, to the conclusion of what I have been trying to say, but I feel that you would drag your feet like you do every other time you get to a point you do not like.

Short words:

YOU WANT COMBAT BALANCE. YOU WANT TO HAVE A FIGHT THAT, ONCE ALL PARTIES ARE COMMITTED, NO ONE CAN DISENGAGE FROM. Very noble points, and most people agree with you.

I (WE) WANT A WORLD THAT SHIFTS BASED ON OUR ACTIONS. Not what our loot luck bonus is depending on the outpost we hold, but the whole game. For me, I can play another game if I don't want that.

Hidden within your posts is the same thing I have been saying, but you are either too obtuse or you are being disingenuous. You say people want small scale and not zerg. Me, too.

Imagine NOT being an ant. We were not ants. The game was different. We want that again. :)
Again, this does not interact with the actual topic of the forum.

I want balance because balance is needed not because I am worth more than you are so my opinion matters more.


Other mmorpgs and games in general prove this, and so does history of this game.

You are being egoistical and trying to big bro me with 0 frame.
 

Iloros

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Your comment is the most delusional, insecure, and arrogant thing I’ve seen in a long time. The fact that you proclaim yourself "much more well-known" makes me laugh and actually moves me. You’re just a poor kid. You don’t know a thing. A lot of people are laughing at you right now. Please, I beg you, don’t humiliate yourself any further. It’s too uncomfortable to watch, haha.
I am literally more well known than all of you combined, your friend mentioned that first not me, I couldn't care less really.
 

Iloros

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You ignored most of what I said though.

Either way it’s apples and oranges.

We are saying that the game is missing core sandbox elements that make it a living and functional game.

You are saying that literally all the games problems boil down to elves and the pop would be over 9000 if it wasn’t for those pesky elves

One of these is obviously the radical idiotic and illlogical position.

Again the game was dog ass when it was thursar online and making it thursar online again is not going to fix anything.

We are conceding that the combat probably has an effect. You however are stating that it is the only issue. You are the unreasonable one.
I did not ignore anything relevant that you said.

Thursar meta had worse performance, much less content and 6x the pop LOL.


It was objectively better even if you personally do not prefer it because you are an Alvarin abuser.

And Thursar meta was not perfect either, we could have much better combat and general game balance wirh analytics and it will help the game more than anytjing else balance related as it suffers from balance issues the most.

Literally noone said all problems are elves, you are strawmaning me heavily.

You fuys keep underestimating balance in games because THE META SUITS YOU

If the only playable race was a cyclops with a club and you just hit each other in the head till one dies you wouldnt play, many wouldnt play.

Well 75% dont play now because only 1 in 4 is viable.

And that snowballs to less and less.


All the big games spam balancing for a reason