PvE or mobs or w/e are gonna climb regardless haha. I was talking about players climbing. Climbing would be more of a pvp thing, if people used general intellect. It would be another thing like swimming which arguably is not pve content. It's just another environmental factor, like weather, except as I said if you jump against walls enough, you can find places you stick, places you climb, etc, so the potential is there. There is even potential to do it as it is, and I did a lot in Mo1 (was a bit more climby, but stuck sux) and even in 2. I'm just saying, why not make it into an actual skill. LoS is to the point where you can tag people w/ arrows at range. I dunno; I feel like we aren't on the same page. Basically I just want to be able to 'interface' more, going up and down, with the rocks. Something a bit less janky and seeming like you are tricking the game. Same as swim races, climb races, whatever running along mountain sides... haha. It would make for better PvP imo, that's one of the best parts of MO (sneaking around and posting up.)