was in a situation where I needed to sneak today, and realized that the walk isn't silent.
imo add a silent walk or silent crouch so people can sneak
imo add a silent walk or silent crouch so people can sneak
Add crouch or make walking silent
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take off your shoes and hold down the control =) but in general, yes, there is not enough squatting and stealth
Crouch
How about adding crouch? You can jump in your heavy armor but you can't crouch with it. It could be useful in some situations, like sneaking on someone or hiding before group of bad guys. And it might be good for immersion. What are your opinions?
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I'm happy that this suggestion came back, but I think SV gives a damn about how many people want it.
As a thief wannabe, I appreciate every feature which provides a way to cover movements and sounds.
As per older thread which @Vakirauta kindly provided, there could be some concerns about combat abuse, hitbox detection, data management, and so on.
In Mordahu I used crouch + look down to avoid horizontal slashes when i got baited by parrying a feint.
It didn't felt that bad, and experienced players knows how to deal with it.
But MO combat is a whole different thing, so i cannot figure out the benefit vs loss just by imagination.
Maybe we'll get covert movement as a skill or such when thievery will be out, that has to be activated with some warm up time before being effective, due to avoid in combat abuse.
As per older thread which @Vakirauta kindly provided, there could be some concerns about combat abuse, hitbox detection, data management, and so on.
In Mordahu I used crouch + look down to avoid horizontal slashes when i got baited by parrying a feint.
It didn't felt that bad, and experienced players knows how to deal with it.
But MO combat is a whole different thing, so i cannot figure out the benefit vs loss just by imagination.
Maybe we'll get covert movement as a skill or such when thievery will be out, that has to be activated with some warm up time before being effective, due to avoid in combat abuse.
There was ideas (not sure and too lazy to check it, lol) to make crouch as out of combat option to prevent such abuses.
Ah just for sake of pointing out the obvious, I think noise reduction should not fully apply to full iron platemail or such.
How a full iron armored guy should sound while crouching:
How a full iron armored guy should sound while crouching:
Alvarions have a "stalker" clade gift and armor already plays a role in getting close to springbok.
I think SV is going the right direction with sound design. Equipment and behaviour determine how much sounds you make.
Have you tested pressing Ctrl in non-combat mode?
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It would be cool if armor crafting could detach the boots from the "lower body" armor so that we can have sneaky boots and protective ones. Also good for swag.
I think SV is going the right direction with sound design. Equipment and behaviour determine how much sounds you make.
Have you tested pressing Ctrl in non-combat mode?
Edit:
It would be cool if armor crafting could detach the boots from the "lower body" armor so that we can have sneaky boots and protective ones. Also good for swag.
I still think adding a crouch would open up a lot of gameplay elements, and add to immersion.
In all honesty it doesn't seem like that difficult of a thing to implement, i'm surprised its not in the game yet.
In all honesty it doesn't seem like that difficult of a thing to implement, i'm surprised its not in the game yet.
The issue is you then end up needing an entire new set of animations for every clade, gender, armor rigging needs to be redone, animations for emotes, taking damage, swinging etc. It becomes really expensive all of a sudden.
Cant remember where , might have been discord, where they touched on it briefly, saying the reason its not done is it would be disproportionatly expensive and time-consuming.
This is fine on release. Crouch is a pretty basic command found in most other games including the very comparable title of Darkfall. If we're going another 10+ years without crouch I think that's a bad decision. If it's not a day one feature I can live with that.
They already need to add specific animations for laying, emotes, mounting, new weapon stances/animations, magic, ect. Saying that specifically crouching is going to break the bank on new animation design isn't really a realistic reason not to implement it into the game.
Now if they really don't see a need for it from a gameplay design perspective, I could at least respect that as a conflicting argument.
Rather then adding a crouch mechanic SV should consider making certain armors better for stealth. Plate armors could for example be a non-stealth option since they are clunky and make a lot of sounds, while lighter armor and no armor could be more optimal. SV could make AI react to noise and different armors have various levels of noise. Any movement could cause armors to make noise while ctrl walking dampens footsteps.
This game has projectile weapons. Being able to crouch behind cover is a simple necessity for that, let alone the PvE and audio elements. We have Squat right now if you want to duck behind cover, but it's current /emote implementation is clunky to use in a live fight.
I don't think anyone has ever entered a game and said, "Gee, sure is dumb I can crouch." I have, however, played games where being able to crouch would have been great. (Especially when you're collecting small items off the ground, something we do in this game as well)
If spamming it is a concern, my advice would be to make it a second or two to get up and down. That's a long time in a combat setting and will force tactical use of it, rather than exploiting the server. (I play Planetside 2 and this is a small, but annoying eploit to mess up headshots.)
I don't think anyone has ever entered a game and said, "Gee, sure is dumb I can crouch." I have, however, played games where being able to crouch would have been great. (Especially when you're collecting small items off the ground, something we do in this game as well)
If spamming it is a concern, my advice would be to make it a second or two to get up and down. That's a long time in a combat setting and will force tactical use of it, rather than exploiting the server. (I play Planetside 2 and this is a small, but annoying eploit to mess up headshots.)
Didn’t realize it was missing... but now that you mention it. Pretty basic feature, should be in game.