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There is no permanence to Rust.

No, it is from the website faq. Thanks though, I didn't know there was a patch as I was on my phone. This isn't Rust, everything is a lot more important and permanent than Rust. We don't need any of that casual stuff to be introduced. It is supposed to be a skill based game. Sleepers are not...

Ok, I will try 1 more time to explain. It is important for a smaller group fighting a larger one to be able to loot their enemies gear in order to whittle down the numbers against them to eventually win, (otherwise the dead can run back regear, and rejoin the fight allowing the larger group to...

That isn't what we are talking about. We are talking about a mechanic that they are going to put into the game for logging out. Well, that isn't true in practice even if it is supposed to be in theory. Everyone is still for some time after they come into the game. Length of time varies.

Nah, it only takes 10 or 15 seconds before you can delete. That is much different than running away somewhere to hide it in a bush.

Where did you hear that? The website indicates that your character will stay in game AFTER logout. I would be happy if you heard different from a GM.

I was told that having the alpha meant i was signed up. It wasn't directly from a GM though, I don't think.

You aren't understanding, you need to be able to delete them mid -fight so that you can keep looting and fighting.

Killboard and titles were basically meaningless in MO1 because plenty of people farmed them up by killing a character over and over at the priest and that took the value away from those who killed many individual characters in fights or roams.

Anywhere you drop it in the middle of a fight they can pick it up.

Being able to check and see if there was a group in town and log out if there was and you were alone was how it worked in MO1, it will be very different if you can't log out and disappear. Mostly it depends on how long you stay in game, but I guess SV isn't going to answer that at this time.

What? I want to be able to delete loot, you want it to remain on the ground for the defeated person to recover. How am I carebear? Yes, I want to grab their loot and delete some of it because you cannot carry enough and still run.

My problem with that is having to run to the single bank in GK and gear up. If a group is there ahead of you, you can't really play especially if you only have 1 character. Remember, it might be a long time before keeps/houses are in game.

Damn. Thanks, I hadn't heard.

I question your experience. Silly to call realism in a game with magic spells. Team work when you are fighting 3 people and want to delete gear so you can beat them instead of fighting until they eventually overwhelm you? Or when you have a few guys outside of town fighting all comers and...

Well, you didn't like the way it worked, but it worked. Could still happen but less because of only having 1 character per account. Still better than being killed while you are offline, (plus it lead to many many good fights.) It sure won't work for everyone to have to res and gear when a group...

They have been vague as far as I know. They mention reputation and how it will be different depending on where you are and that giving accusation of murder won't be instant but at a priest. Not enough details to know.

I base it on watching people log into the game, how long they stand before looking around or moving. I suspect it varies, some people with a faster computer take less, some with a slower, more. There is no need to add a new system, just keep the one we already know works.

You can't be careful when you are logging in, your char stands there for half a minute before you see into the game. I hope so, too on the optimization. I never liked those casual games much and that is where systems like this belong.

Well, I thought the priest camping of new players outside of MK (not what I consider pvp but only griefing) was the worst part of the steam release and did more to drive players away from the game than anything else in-game. Some players killed those priest campers but it was futile trying to...