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no ones denying any logic you just havent gave any logical reason to nerf the main thing that makes alvarins an alvarin lol.. when theres literally other things that are clearly more OP than the speed that should be looked at first.. bro there literally is an argument to support nerfing...

i'd want alvarins to be weaker in overall damage and HP, reduction in armor weight they can wear to where they cant wear full steel sets, speed clades speed nerf/ increased cooldown and the cringe alvarin sight removed would be the main ones that are easily the most OP things about the class.. i...

your hypothetical doesnt prove me wrong bro and it also doesnt prove you right, sorry to tell you (you seem to think your right about everything and everyone else is wrong).. thursar main "trait" is damage output, oghmir is their tankiness/HP, alvarins main "trai" is literally that of speed...

listen thats what human is supposed to be by SV description its on them to actually make it what its supposed to be.. tbh i dont think alvarin has super defense/ super damage its just overtuned more than what it should.. and keeping the base speed and nerfing those two things plus the alvarin...

bro alvarins dont have +500% more fuckign speed than every other race bro.. lol neither do thursars having the same on melee damage, your making random arguments to suit your own in such a fucking dumb low iq way.. using hypotheticals in a argument where its not needed and the obvious speaks for...

picking a Human means choosing the "jack-of-all-trades" race that excels at flexibility, hybrid builds, and group utility rather than specialized min-maxing.. i think u do need skill to play alvarin imo just like all the other races. theres skilled and unskilled players bro. we've already...

bro ive literally BEEN giving arguments or reasons why alvarins speed shouldnt get nerfed in this whole thread lol are u dense? the 500% damage is a random argument u made up to take away from my argument.. it means nothing bc its not actually a thing in the game lol.. just like alvarins having...

what do u mean make up my mind? the damage on trinkets is overtuned.. maybe less so could be said for the HP bc we want the TTK to actually be longer but we shouldnt have to rely solely on +22 HP trinkets for it to be a thing.

i fully ignored your 500% thursar damage bonus bc its a lazy argument. we all know they dont do that much damage and if they did obvious it would need to be nerfed. no ones even saying thursar damage should be nerfed anyway so idk what your argument is. you literally made the guy reset...

exactly bro imo trinkets are overtuned on damage and probably HP.. but more so damage i think.. it just increases the TTK when it shouldnt be like that. especially when u can spam weapon abilities etc the damage adds up

bro legit listen to what you are saying. your saying main trait could be nerfed, sure it could be but why would it? its the main selling point/ best attribute of the class.. take your thursar for example should we nerf your huge damage output just bc its better than every other races? no bc that...

no ones saying to remove all the damage or hp from trinkets im simply using it as example of another example of certain things being OP in the game bro..

every clade/race has a main trait even human bro.. human main trait is being the most balanced overall of the 4 races/clades.. no need to nerf the base speed if nerfing the stam regen and the overall stam like jaygrae mentioned would be more beneficial. it may to you be the "easiest" solution...

imo SV fucked it up by giving that much extra damage/HP to players via trinkets. players extra source of damage output/HP should have been mainly on the mastery tree i think.. maybe they could keep some on the trinkets.. players should be relying more on their skill and not just all this free...

yes im suggesting that. i and everyone who plays alvarin or anyone who wants the game to actually be better should be calling for all the OP parts of alvarin to be nerfed.. but imo it shouldnt be the speed. letting alvarins run around in full steel is kinda dumb and they should rely mostly on...

ok iloros if you had to chance to nerf alvarin what exactly would you do? what specifcally would to nerf the numbers to? bc by your own words you'd nerf the speed and alvarins would still run away lol.. you and these other guys are literally just saying "Oh NeRf SpEeD" without actually saying...

you really think people would want to play alvarin for their main trait of armor pierce? or stam regen? or any of those other things you mentioned? no they wouldnt. you would just brick the class.. the main selling point is the speed and the obviously overtuned HP and damage output it the main...

again bro youre trying to tell alvarin players what they should want, knowing nothing about playing an alvarin in the first place.. nerfing the alvarin speed literally just makes it a human. the human should have more HP and Damage than an Alvarin while the Alvarin has the speed over the human...

iloros your intentionally playing dumb or maybe you just are.. i literally gave 3 main reasons why alvarins are actually OP, and ill lay them out for you again bc it seems you have a hard time following basic sentences. 1. Veela having too high HP 2. Veela also being able to do high damage 3...